A Breath of Fresh Sports with Kae Day & C-Dub
A Breath of Fresh Sports with Kae Day & C-Dub
Been Gone For a Minute, Now We're Back!
In this episode of A Breath of Fresh Sports, Kae Day and C-Dub break down professional sports' fascinating and ever-shifting landscape. The guys discuss pressures on NFL quarterbacks transitioning from college, highlighting the critical role of mentorship in their journey to success. With a keen eye on NFL dynamics, the guys also discuss the volatility of coaching positions and the ripple effects of mid-season changes. From thrilling NFL trades to jaw-dropping one-handed catches, the guys unravel the nuances of strategic plays that captivate fans and define games. Lastly, the guys discuss the intriguing developments in the NBA, pondering trade scenarios and the evolution of the All-Star Game. So, sit back, relax, and take A Breath of Fresh Sports.
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Speaker 1:All right, welcome back to another episode of A Breath of Fresh Sports. I'm your host, kd, and alongside with me, my road dog, the other half of the trouble that I am C-Dub, c-dub man. We've been gone for a minute and now we back. We are back. Yes, it feels really great to get back in this space.
Speaker 1:I know for sure that I needed that time off.
Speaker 1:I needed this time off because I just had so much stuff going on that I didn't even realize like how to focus my energy to all the stuff I had going on, all the coaching and the teaching and the multiple jobs I was involved in.
Speaker 1:It's so nice to just be able to do one thing and then have time to do other things, leisure things, you know, things that you enjoy within your life, compared to sun up to sun down, working this job, working that job, coaching this team, training this person. While I had, like great enjoyments and built great relationships with that, I can definitely say that me stepping away from education and coaching, you know, has been a really good thing for me. Being speaking selfishly has been a really good thing for me. I've really enjoyed being able to just watch sporting events and be like, oh yeah, look at all the time that they're putting in, all the time and effort they're putting in. I know because I've been through it, but I just get to go home or I just get to change the channel or go do something else. You know.
Speaker 2:It's almost a new breath of fresh air.
Speaker 1:Hey, look at that play on words right there. But no, I'm really glad that we're getting back into this. Do you know that? I missed you? Missed you too, buddy, missed you too.
Speaker 2:I've been missing this time and I got tired of arguing about sports with my wife that she doesn't argue back. She just says go Ravens and Baltimore, yeah, listen to me rant. She just uh says go ravens in baltimore, yeah listen to me rant, right.
Speaker 1:Do you know that? Uh, november 10th is coming up, and november 10th will be the two-year anniversary of our first show being published that we recorded.
Speaker 2:I think November 10th a year ago today, you were here with me. Yep, that's right, it's my one-year wedding anniversary, that's right, the 12th, ooh-wee coming up.
Speaker 1:Man, how does that feel?
Speaker 2:feels it feels like a lot long, feels like it was a lot longer ago. Yeah, um, but it's crazy to think that it's already here and it's already been a whole year and how much has changed just in one year. Right, there.
Speaker 1:Definitely and definitely a big congrats to you and your wife, as you all are going to be expecting a beautiful baby girl that many of us are looking forward to spoil, so congratulations on that.
Speaker 2:Yes, leighton K Westover will be joining us on March 22nd ish 2025.
Speaker 1:Oh, getting right into the thick of March madness, huh, yep, she'll be ready, she'll be ready.
Speaker 2:Her first concert was a Story of the year concert. Uh, first rated our movie was deadpool and wolverine.
Speaker 1:So she's she's experiencing her time well now, oh yeah, having a great time of her life and being just. She'll be here, you know, and I and, and when it goes with the, with the marriage, like I haven't been. I've been married a while, not as long as others, but uh, you know, you know we're. We're eight years in, so the time is. We know time moves the same way every day, of course, you know, with the exception of, you know, daylight saving times playing a role in that, but it's going to pass. And when you're doing that and when you're doing things with your best friend and you're going through life with your best friend ups and downs, smiles and frowns, cheers and jeers, all those good things it's always good to have that one person that you can lean on going through, going through life with you know.
Speaker 2:Cheers, yeah, lean on going through, uh, going through life with you know, cheers, yeah, oh no, it's just good to be back. I miss this time, just, you know, chilling at night, just getting ready to just kick back and just talk about sports, for you know the.
Speaker 1:Right All right, yeah, all right. So let's go ahead and get into it. Blast from the past, let's go ahead. We're going to make sure we're keeping some things rolling. So blast from the past. I picked today. I picked November 6th.
Speaker 1:So 1929, providence Steamroller became the first NFL team to host a game at night under floodlights. They lost 16 to 0 against the Chicago Cardinals at the Cycle Drone in Providence, rhode Island. In 1934, philadelphia Eagles Beat the Cincinnati Reds 64-0. In 1981, larry Holmes TKO Renato Snipes In 11 rounds for the heavyweight boxing title. In 1993, evander Holyfield Beats Riddick Bowe in 12 rounds for the heavyweight boxing title. In 1995, art Modell officially announced the Cleveland Browns are moving to Baltimore, maryland. We know that was a big big deal. And in 1997, at the time he was san francisco's giants manager, but dusty baker was named the national league manager of the year.
Speaker 1:Wasn't too many sports related things, uh, on this day in history, but just just a few things. That's that stood out. You know just a few little things that stood out. And then, rolling at that last one, baseball related, you know the recent champions, the Los Angeles Dodgers. They won the World Series and, surprisingly, that was the one game that I was able to watch for the World Series because I've been, you know, working on the road, ripping and running, and that was the one game.
Speaker 1:I got to a place to settle down for the night and the game came on and I kind of said, oh yeah, the World Series is on, because the only thing that stood out to me was game two, when Ice Cube performed you know it was a good day and performed bow down, you know, changing some words up in it. But you know, I did see something that passed across the screen because they were down, like I think it was 5-0. They were down and I think one of the things they put it was that they were the first team in history that came back from a 5-0 deficit to win not only the game, but to win not only the game, but to win the World Series at that magnitude. So I definitely want to make sure that I give just that little champion shout-out. That's what I'll call that the champion shout-out. Not saying that we're picking sides or we're rooting for anybody, just saying that a champion has been crowned and we are just doing our little due diligence to say there you go.
Speaker 2:I'll say this, and After after moving away from St Louis, it's been a lot harder to follow baseball when you don't have it all the time. You know you can't watch the games as much all the time. You know you can't watch the games as much. And so, outside of, you know the few Oriole games that my wife turned on during the playoffs, which was a short run, unfortunately for her sake, didn't really turn on much baseball outside. Well, I guess there was a few games that were the Guardians games in Detroit, that just had some buddies that were texting me about it and we got to watch a little bit of it but didn't really get fully into it until the World Series.
Speaker 2:And it's like one of those World Series where you just almost hope that both teams can lose, but it's not possible. World Series where you just almost hope that both teams can lose, but it's not possible. But I'll say this Freddie Freeman is one of those guys that you can't ever root against. He's had a lot of things going on in his personal life. You feel sorry for the things that some people have to go through and still have to go out and perform at a major league level you know, and keep it all together.
Speaker 2:Man, I tell you, watching that first game with the walk-off Grand Slam, you just are excited to see something that you know a has never been done. Yep, it's hard to you know it's somebody you can't root against. But then at that point it's like, okay, now I found myself rooting for the Dodgers because I mean, unless you're a Yankee fan, you you can't root for the Yankees. I mean, it's just, it's it's kind of.
Speaker 1:It's that law I guess, right yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like if you're not a Cowboys fan, you can't root for the Cowboys. It's just one of those unwritten rules that's out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you gotta be a die-hard fan for those organizations, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:But it was. You thought it was going to be a better series, but not, as you say, blown out, but essentially it ends on two of the wildest games in probably baseball history. Yeah, and I remember, as you said, it was five, nothing. My wife gets up and was like oh, this is ridiculous, like okay, this is a whole new series goes to bed and literally within 10 minutes. I said I remember yelling to the other room it's a tie game and she's like what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that quick. That's what it was like it it happened. It happened fast, like I was like making some food in the lounge and I looked and I'm like all right, so then I just went out to my truck to get something and I come back in and I'm like dang, they tied it up that quick.
Speaker 2:And you know you think about it as hard. You know Cardinals fans, you can't hate to root for Tommy. I've been. You know Joe Kelly yeah, you have some. You know there's about four or five ex-Cardinals on the Dodgers, which tells you something about the Cardinals organization. If you stop getting rid of so many people, you actually have a team. If you get a little money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that's kind of been the norm. And I know you're not there in St Louis and I've recently got out of St Louis, but the mantra there in St Louis still is we find these great talented guys, even though they're young, and it's like they ship them off. They get rid of them real quick. Bring in someone who is like desperate to have a chance to play for the Cardinals orient organization quote, unquote but won't cost them a lot of money either, because we know they don't like going in them pockets all the time either with St Louis. You know so. But yeah, like you said, though, when you see ex Cardinals like impacting big time games, as in the World Series, you definitely got to say, ok, what happened that that player is with the Dodgers or whatever team they may be with, and not within the Cardinals organization organization. You know I.
Speaker 1:I personally believe you know, uh is definitely some changes that need to take place seriously within that front office. Uh, because it's it's kind of like you have the same people, you know that's doing the same thing, and you look and see what, where the level of success for the cardinals organization is at, you know you can only go off of hey, we won 11 World Series so many times. You can only use it so many times. You know it's kind of like. You know the Yankees won over 20 World Series, but their mantra is we're going to do whatever it takes to win every year. You know Steinbrenner started that and even after his passing they still have that philosophy like no, we're going to pay the top dollar, we're going to get the best talent in here, because this is what we do to win world series. They didn't win this one, but they got. Also. It says a lot more than what the Cardinals are going to do.
Speaker 2:They're going to open up the checkbook again.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:You just never know.
Speaker 1:And I can tell you this also the. Dodgers are going to do the same thing. Yeah, that's what it is. And now, because the Dodgers got some people involved with their owner group, they got some deep pockets that they can get the organization to where. Hey, we can play that too over here, but I can tell you this also.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, go ahead. They had a new team deal coming in for all the teams with the streaming services and the monthly subscription stuff and everything, all the teams, that the streaming services and, yes, with the monthly subscription stuff and it's, it's going to open up, you know, some opportunities for their teams. But God is a fan. You just know that. It's another subscription that I got to have or something, to be able to watch something. Right, nfl's already ruining it enough. Yeah, watch football on Christmas Netflix and it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely, definitely. It's a lot of those and I can, but just, I guess, one more thing baseball related. When we talk, let's say, talk one more thing about the Cardinals. This past summer, before I left, you know, old faithfuls always went to the Cardinals game. They always flooded the Metro link, they flooded the bus stops. It wasn't really the case this year.
Speaker 1:They were desperately trying to get tickets sold Because the Cardinals faithful, I'm just desperate for the Carolina Panthers, right, the Cardinals faithful, it wasn't in bunches this season and I think that should be, you know, a chance for the organization to see like, okay, whatever we're doing ain't working Because clearly we're not getting the support that we used to get all the time, because, frankly, they're tired of it. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:They announced today that Jose Contreras is going to first base full time. I saw that. I did see that. I think they're going to give a lot of young prospects.
Speaker 2:You can't go through a rebuild phase without bringing up your young talent and giving them a chance, and not this whole bring them up, send them down, bring them up, send them down, bring them up, send them down. It's just not good for their development, their mentality. You're seeing it in football now with a lot of quarterbacks You're starting, you're not starting. You're starting, you're not starting. And it can really impact your whole mindset, your mentality and the development of becoming a better overall player in any sport.
Speaker 2:Right, basketball is a little different. Actually, I'd say basketball is a lot different when it comes to that because of I feel like that the draft within our NBA players. They just keep getting younger and younger Right, it's drafting that aren't NBA ready. But we're going to bring them out one year in and let them just sit and develop for two years and all of a sudden, you have these stars or these players you've never even heard of for two or three years. And all of a sudden, you have these stars or these players you've never even heard of for two or three years, and then all of a sudden, they start actually developing and getting better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I know we kind of. We talked about it, you know, in the past with one of our shows and you brought brought it to light big time when we were identifying the recent draft picks or the top 10 draft picks, and we talked about how the ability of what they can and can't do and some of them, it was like they struggled to shoot the basketball. It was like it was like that one year where it was like it was a lot of athletic guys but it was like, yeah, a lot of them they don't really shoot the ball well or they don't want to shoot the ball. You know, it's that mentality, it's a fact.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can definitely say that for sure, because we know Ben Simmons, he started off, you know his NBA career started off. You know his NBA career started off, you know stellar, and then it was just like it just you know where'd he go, where'd he disappear to? Just can't shoot, you know, and it makes it hard and but, yeah, but what you were saying about you kind of like segue into the quarterbacks, nfl quarterbacks, how we have, you know, this crop of young talent, um, talented quarterbacks, but at the same time you have some quarterbacks who may not be getting the snaps, or they did get the snaps and they didn't live up to early expectations. Uh, you have quarterbacks who started off well and they struggled. Then they get benched.
Speaker 1:Or because you know, we've seen that with pittsburgh, we saw that, uh, for justin fields and then russell wilson comes into the play. We've seen that most recently with Indianapolis, how Andy Richardson was there and then he gets benched. Joe Flacco comes in. I know you know right, you know your boy Bryce Young, you know down where you're seeing it, you know it's so.
Speaker 2:Hey, shout out to Bryce Young. For the first time in his 20 NFL career starts he lined up for victory formation. He takes a snap to close out a win.
Speaker 1:Shout out, shout out, so so, while we, so, while there is that situation of you know, young quarterbacks getting in the league and, you know, not living up to the standards per se of the organization or the team or the coaching staff, whatever it may be, you still have some that are, you know, having some good success. I remember the just a couple of weeks back last week, that Chicago Washington game. You know, down to the wire you got two young quarterbacks, you know pretty much battling it out throughout the whole game. Of course Washington got that because you, you know, when it comes to the Hail Mary throws, as a defender, you should never try to tip it. You should always intercept it. You should never try to tip it or knock it down. You know just it. The best way to make sure that that ball will not go anywhere else is to catch it. I've seen people try to tip it and it bounce off somebody knee and then that. Then the team on offense hey, they gets it in the end zone, just those little things. And it was wide open, like after that tip. It was just like boom. It's like I like when games get to the wire like that. And he had so much time, so much time to just get set up, scramble side to side and just OK, now let me get rid of it. You know so, but I do like that.
Speaker 1:I believe there's a difference of parity in the league now I don't parody in the league, now I don't. I think that there was such a a major effect with and I think we talked about it before with, uh, tom brady being the quarterback at the patriots, then going to the bucks, and then aaron rogers was with the packers, you know. So you have these particular quarterbacks at these certain teams, to where you got patrickomes of Kansas City that they're still rolling, you got Josh Allen with the Bills, but once Tom Brady goes from the Patriots to the Bucs and then out the league, you start seeing this whole shift. Have you noticed that? It's been like a like a different shift, a dynamic of how teams have been putting, building their rosters, in a sense, you know you see the.
Speaker 2:You see the generational change. You know Manning and Brady yeah, and it's. You are seeing more and more of this and you've seen it throughout the years and I think we got to witness one of the greatest of all time and Vic, but this generation of you know not. You saw that generation of mobile quarterbacks, saw that generation of mobile quarterbacks and now it seems like it's still mobile, but it's that pass first and still can be mobile. You know, transition like Manning wasn't mobile. They were just some of the best arms and pocket passing and then you have you know this, this young, I can, I can throw it over your head, but I can also outrun you at the same time. You see this handing off to a young, you know quarterback really quickly, something that you not. Even Patrick Mahomes didn't come in and start his first season. He sat for a full season and one of the things you're seeing now, I feel like, is that you're throwing quarterbacks in and they're the first pick, the second pick, the tenth pick and they're expected to be successful in their first year and if they're not, then it's on to the next one.
Speaker 2:And personally I mean, yes, as a fan, you want somebody who's going to come in to be the savior, but it is. Is it unfair expectations to set for somebody who was just in college a year ago? And a cornerback or a defensive end in college is not the same in the NFL? Everybody can run a four, two, four, three, right? You're no longer the fastest guy on the team, right? You're no longer the fastest guy on the team, right? Well, I think this is a huge topic to talk about. Is you have expectations? Are you setting your expectations for somebody to come in be the savior in their first year without any development and expect to be great? Yeah, we've kind of been with it for, you know, past, this season and last season with now you know, one of the best that is doing it and Jaden.
Speaker 2:Daniels. And then, of course, you have the guy that Carolina Panthers should have drafted and didn't. I believe we talked about that, but you have these. You know. Now you have them. Who's the savior bears? And there's our region talks about how they should fire the coach and how they are going into a different. You know, think about that. This would be, it is Would are they do fire their head coach? His third head coach in the last two years going back to college Yep, his third offensive coordinator in the last two years. And we've seen it time and time again where quarterbacks go through these phases Sam Darnold, what's his name? From the Jets beforehand. They go through all these coaches and coordinators and yet it's still the quarterback's fault that they're unsuccessful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know it's. There's no continuity in that Like, how do you expect someone to be great when they're faced with things like that happening, with different coaches, different coordinators? I think one of the reasons kind of like what you said with the, you know, the generational shift taking place One of the things that haven't changed is that instant gratification, and I think we talked about that. Like, everybody wants the instant gratification, but they don't want people going through the process of becoming great. They want them to be great the moment they step on there. But they, but it's, it's. It's something that's hard to do because it's a new experience for them. They're dealing, dealing with a different type of level of talent, level of caliber, different coaching styles, new things to learn.
Speaker 1:I always think about John Gruden whenever he does his, when he was doing his quarterback stuff and he was reading, letting them like, hey, this is the play, tell me to play. And I'm like that's a big adjustment to make, and I think we also talked about it before in the past to where some colleges, they, they, they are pro style, they get them set up for the professional level, but others is kind of like, hey, the offense is going to be. You step back one, two, three, you hit this receiver and if that receiver ain't there you throw your check down or you throw it out of bounds. It's not really. Uh, let's go ahead and read the coverage and see what we got. You're pinpointing and looking at one uh specific receiver. So when they making that transition from college to the nfl, you can't necessarily do that within the nfl.
Speaker 1:You have to be able to know different color coverages. You need to be able to recognize it to the point to where, when you see the corners and the safeties lined up, what coverage are they already predetermined lined up in trying to show you or trying to disguise? And then you got to identify where the linebackers are standing there. And then now you got to get the D-line involved in the play, because sometimes you may have a D-line and you don't see it as much. You may see one drop to the flat or drop quick. Uh, hook, curl.
Speaker 1:So then that changed the dynamic of what opens up or what's not open. So, uh, when you have this different like it's just unsettling to just be to just go through all these different coaches and coordinators because everybody's going to do things differently. So if you have those many changes in a short amount of time. Everybody's doing something different. Now, of course, we hear the commentators, especially Tony Romo, saying, hey, they're going to run whatever the quarterback likes to do, which is definitely true. But at the same time, some coaches they got it within themselves. It's like no, I want you to run this play and that's the play I want you to run, whether they like it or not, you know. So it's that adapting and getting adjusted to another coach or a different coach.
Speaker 2:You know adapting and getting adjusted to another coach or a different coach. You know who do you say. Name me the five most successful quarterbacks over the last 10 years.
Speaker 1:Oh, five, oh, my goodness, well with it. Within the last 10 years. They just that was drafted within the last 10 years. I just played played in the last 10 years. Well, I just played played in the last 10 years. Well, when you? Well, of course, one of the names we're gonna say is tom brady, for sure you know that's someone that's been uh, very successful. Patrick mahomes has been very successful, um, different now, but aaron rogers had a lot of success, uh, for sure. Um see, uh, josh Allen has been, has had some success. Hasn't won the big one, but he's had some success. Um, and then I would say I don't know if this, this may go against what you're trying to argue, but I'll say Lamar Jackson is my fifth one.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I know you, I know you go on somewhere with that. I may. I may have messed it up with a couple of names Not necessarily, but it does.
Speaker 2:I may have messed it up with a couple of names in there Not necessarily, but it does. You can take it in a few different directions, but if you think, tom Brady and Drew Bledsoe who is a very successful quarterback and was somebody that you can learn from Mahomes, sat behind Alex Smith, spent a whole year watching him, learning from him, who, to this day, isn't the greatest quarterback to ever play the game, but he was a very successful quarterback.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'd agree with that.
Speaker 2:And he is somebody that you can really learn from. Sat behind Brad Farr what two years was it? One of the greatest of quarterbacks we've ever seen.
Speaker 2:Yep, when you get to Josh Allen, lamar, there are two quarterbacks that you had. One had very high expectation. You didn't know what he was going to be. You had Lamar. Was this the next? Michael Vick? You know kind of to him. He was dual threat. That wasn't a great passing quarterback but he was a dual he was going to be. If he wasn't going to pass it he was going to run. It was a dual he was going to be. If he wasn't going to pass that he was going to run it.
Speaker 2:Josh allen is kind of your now quarterback. I think is kind of the footprint of what you're seeing in the nfl. That if you look at that, josh allen had over, you know, his first season. If they would giving up on him then he probably would not be the quarterback he is today. In that case you either have to sit with somebody who is going to teach you to be successful, and every quarterback that's successful Peyton Manning has learned from somebody and became one of the best quarterbacks of the past. Outside of that, josh Allen was not a great quarterback but they didn't quit on him. They had time to continue to develop him. They let him fail. They let him learn the process. Yes, he didn't sit a year behind, but he played the year and was learning a process. Yes, he didn't sit a year behind, but he played the year and was learning a little bit. Nowadays, you know, and you're seeing this now and it's you.
Speaker 2:Take Bryce Young maybe a different situation, but I had my dad say that he was not going to be a great quarterback when you can't see over your center. He's now into that phase where you don't know what's going to happen with him. He's had a horrible bench. Unfortunately, there was an accident that Andy Dalton had that brought him back. He's gone into benched starting, benched starting. It's not developing him, him back, but he's gone to bench starting, bench starting. It's not developing him. And the Richardson we saw that you've never seen history before as he decided to tap out of his own, out of a game, basically try and take himself out right into him getting pension. But now how that's going to develop Now he's been benched. Joe Flacco starting after now.
Speaker 2:Joe Flacco has a bad game, so do they go back to Anthony Richardson? Right, just completely changes it. Every, every mentality that you can, young player, yeah, it just can continue to can keep the downfall to where, in four years, five years, you might see Bryce the. Jacksonville Jaguars starting, because he finally, you know, takes that time to learn. You never know. And that's how we're seeing Sam Darnold after jets and he was back and had how many? Had five coaches in four years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's been a lot, it's been a lot.
Speaker 2:Of course he was never going to be successful. Nobody's going to be successful in those types of situations. Yeah, you're set up for failure and you see that the greatest quarter, for the most part, been able to be groomed and developed in this period of time to where they can learn an offense and learn from a quarterback who's successful and then hand the reins over. Look at Jordan Love. Thought they were crazy. Even Aaron said well, you're drafting my replacement, but I need a weapon. But now you look at Green Bay now and you think, wow, there was actually kind of genius. You can't doubt him, because they did the same thing with Farber Rogers. Yeah, that's right. But when you have somebody in place, I think Atlanta did a little too premature when taking pennies, when you just signed Kirk cousins who yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and they signed, and they signed Kirk cousins to some big money too, and it's not.
Speaker 2:What? Four, five, four years?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have to guy who's 26, who your future set up for a guy who's going to turn 30 and then take over the starting role. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was uh, I don't know if that was the best, the best deal to make there. Honestly, I think I think bringing kirk's cousins in was great, but if you, you know, you got kirk cousins there, do you really need to draft a quarterback at that caliber at that point in time? Or could you have drafted another quarterback who could have been someone who could be developed over time, watching a Kirk Cousins you know to be that, to become that NFL quarterback that can be someone who can be a uh, you know, to have a stakeholder within the organization, within the offense, to be successful.
Speaker 1:But, um, but yeah, what you said is key, because a lot of times, kind of, like I said, with that instant gratification, we don't well, I'm not saying necessarily we, but people don't want to watch others sit and wait and then they get their time, you know, and it's kind of like that old school mentality, like no, this is the way it goes, you have to sit and wait your turn. You just don't get to get into that spot from the get-go. But which, which, which, yeah, you gotta earn it, you gotta earn it, you gotta earn it, which I'm not, you know. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, like, yeah, you know, if that's. If that's the case, if someone wants to put someone in a position, catapult them quickly as possible so they can get that experience, that's fine. But at the same time, there's nothing wrong with having a young player who's watching a veteran quarterback or a veteran player in front of them, whether that veteran player is doing everything right, doing everything wrong, some things right, some things wrong.
Speaker 2:That player can watch and observe and learn what are the things they need to do in order to be successful by watching that other person, you know, that's in front of them and, like you, you think that when you draft a quarterback number one, number two, number three, overall you're bringing in somebody who is 20, 21 years old, maybe 22 years old, to be the face of the entire franchise and know that everything is on you to turn it around. Yep, and some people and I mean I guess you enjoy those you know the expectations. You know you strive to live up to those expectations, but when you don't, it can just destroy you. Yeah, caleb Williams is, you know, one of the most, has to be one of the most confident. You know players that come out of college and know that I'm about to turn the bears around. Players that come out of college and know that I'm about to turn the bears around.
Speaker 2:But you've, you've seen the disgruntled effect of the lack of success and like not that he's not having a successful season. He's already. You know one more games, but he's. They're now four and four and they lose two games in a row and everything starts to change. Already Head coach is now on the now on the fence. Does he need to be fired? That's just how quickly things can change, especially in Chicago especially in.
Speaker 2:Chicago yeah, the team who's known for doing these things. You have to. You have to give teams a chance. You know this is a first year quarterback and you're already talking about firing that head coach. You've given them eight games together and just because they haven't gone undefeated, this is the Bears. You have the first overall pick. You have a rookie quarterback who's not going to just be Tom Brady.
Speaker 1:You have to give it time. And gotta give it time, yep, gotta let it marinate, gotta let it marinate. You know, the Jets did the same thing, him and Sala.
Speaker 2:Rogers and Sala had one play, and what three games together, mm-hmm, and he was fired yep, isn't that crazy like.
Speaker 1:And then when you look at an organization in there, because you know right now, uh, another coach that's on the hot seat apparently you know it's mike mccarthy, but we'll, you know, cowboy talk when you look at that to say the organization say, hey, we're going to make a change in our coach, our coaching staff, our coach, because the job's not getting done. So what has to happen after that is that there's going to be an interim coach, there's going to be somebody else who's going to be in charge of that. So when you take away what they're trying to build they're trying to get the rapport, they're trying to get you know, consistency, understand one another uh, when you take that away by firing a coach or benching a quarterback too soon, you know it makes it a lot harder for that continuity to take place. It makes it harder for the belief in a coach to be there or belief in that player to be there. I don't think that the Jets firing that coach was a good thing. I really don't, because when you look at the organization of the Jets, they haven't had success in a long time and of course, yes, they want to have it right here, right now, but that's still something they got to build and develop. And, of course, aaron Rodgers is playing the way that he said he wants to play, he wants to try to do what Tom Brady did. He wants to try to do a Tom Brady. He wants to play a long. He still wants to play a while. So you still have to give that stuff time to develop. You know, because the expectation was Aaron Rodgers comes over, oh, the Jets are in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:But then we know, last year he went down with that injury very early, very early. He went down with that injury and he was gone for the season. So now, not only is, not only are you in a position that you have to wait a little bit longer. You have your quarterback that's returning from an injury, that has to get work back into the mix, work back into the fold and, yes, aaron Rodgers top tier, no doubt about that. But it's still a process that has to take place.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, with them firing a salad, I don't think it was a, I don't think it was a good decision. Of course, we not the ones making the decisions, you know, we, we, we have no connections or anything with them regarding that, but it's some things you really have to look at and say, okay, this is going to be like a two, three year process, like even though the ages you know aaron rogers is up there in age it's like, no, some of these transactions you make, you have to look at it as multi-year. It's a progress of multiple years and not just that moment, right then and there for that season. Because when you fire a coach, the dynamic is going to change, the dynamic is going to shift.
Speaker 1:And then what if that team that fires a coach doesn't improve? Was it the head coach's fault? Was it the coach's fault? They got fired. If the team is still not being successful and not producing on the field, was it that coach's fault? They got fired Because they're still playing the same way or bringing out the same results. You know and I was thinking about that now with New Orleans that's a whole different situation. There they were too old, started off hot and then they just lost a bunch of games and so they got rid of Dennis Allen. I mean, it's not good. 2-7 is not good, I get that, but it's still that. The in-season firing. It's that in-season firing. I'm still kind of like are we really doing? It's that in season fire and I'm still kind of like, are we really doing?
Speaker 2:that Can you? It's, it's Ken, can you? That is going to spark fire underneath everybody Cause you, you have to the player. It's like, well damn, I, I'm part of the reason why this person lost their job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, and do you go out there and try to play to make new coach look good, or to prove yourself that you can still do this, to prove yourself that you can still do this, that it's just the coaches you know fault it's also you know you have to get to the situation and know that you have to play better because but the same way as you said it is, we're halfway through the season. But the same way as you said it is, we're halfway through the season and after this season, in most scenarios you're going to have another head coach, because it's not very common that your interim head coach becomes the head coach next season, right? So, no matter what happens, you're not just playing a job. You know you're going to have a new coach next season. You're playing for your job. So you have to prove yourself. Otherwise, youboys are a different scenario. I mean, they've been calling for McCarthy's head for three games after he probably got hired.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean, if I was.
Speaker 2:Dak Prescott, I probably would have faked an injury to do it for the next three games.
Speaker 1:Oh man, yeah, yeah. So Because don't get me wrong I I think that mccarthy is a decent coach, not saying top tier greater like I think he's a decent coach, uh he definitely was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when he's in green bay, like he, he really was. Like. Like, when you talk about, you know, during that time frame when he was in green bay, when you talk about one of the, during that timeframe when he was in green Bay, when you talk about one of the best minds, one of the top coaches like Mike McCarthy was always on that list Some people would say that Aaron Rogers made him look good. I mean, but at the same time, mike McCarthy was the architect behind the offense that Aaron Rogers had. So it can go both ways. They both made each other look good. But it's just something about being the head coach at Dallas. It's just something about. I don't know what it is, but it's just. More times than not, they may see some success, but long-term it's just not there.
Speaker 2:And is it pressure? I mean, when you are hired for the Cowboys, you're the starting quarterback of the Cowboys, back of the Cowboys. If you're anybody on the Cowboys, you are almost held to a higher standard that you have to live up to. Expectations.
Speaker 2:It's like playing for the Yankees. You can't play for the Yankees without being criticized. You're expected to win and be successful, and for that team is it poorly managed? Is do you? Are you paying too much money to players and not being able to balance out your team? Then there's there's a lot of moving parts that it could turn it on. You know what can cause a team to not be successful. You have a quarterback who makes $265 million a year. You have one wide receiver who is now paid. You have. You have, luckily, you have some young defensive players, but you now have, you know, your linebacker who is one of the highest paid players in all of NFL. But these little parts, your offensive line, is continuously getting worse and worse. When they were, how many years ago, had the best line in all the football You're running back. Nobody's ever heard of Right. You were so desperate. You brought Zeke back, who is now essentially was benched last year or wasn't even traveling with the team.
Speaker 1:I don't think he's traveled. Yeah, I don't think he's traveled at all.
Speaker 2:You know you have it where, if you can't fill injuries with role players you're set up to and, as a head coach, that's not something that you can control, but yet you have all the blame to take for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean injuries can kill a team and injuries can ruin a team. If you don't have a way to fill, you know. Look at the Rams. The Rams were one of the worst teams in the league not that they're the worst, but they were riddled by you lose a lot of injuries yeah, offensive line, but you have players.
Speaker 2:That's you know, and it's no, no buddies, but players that are young and were able to step with. With Whittington, a young, second best wide receiver in Texas comes in, able to fill the void for Cup and Puka and, yeah, we weren't winning games, but we were in games, as you know. Players that were able to fill and now they're getting in better and better. Each they moved from last place to first second place.
Speaker 1:Somehow still there.
Speaker 2:But you then now have this development where these players that were showing in the time when others were out now they're in this continued offense, and when you don't have teams, that don't have reserves or people that can come in, it fails. Yeah, now I don't expect the Cardinals to be there for very long. You know, call of Duty 6 just came out, so you know, we know how.
Speaker 1:That caliber is going to get back on he getting ready For that right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's when, when Call of Duty comes out. But you never know, this one might get him excited. He knows, if he wins he gets to play more. Maybe that's his, maybe that's his.
Speaker 1:He wins. Was that built Into the contract again? Is that what we still? I think it was.
Speaker 2:Tyler, every, every game you win, every touchdown you throw, you get an extra hour of call of duty oh, my goodness, so but, but to but.
Speaker 1:To piggyback on what you said about the, you know the, the Rams having the um. I think it's success they're having from the, from the reserves, from the backup, and isn't it interesting how it's unfortunate it's success they're having from the reserves, from the backup, and isn't it interesting how it's unfortunate it's happening due to injuries, but isn't it interesting how, when younger players are getting the opportunity to play, they're growing and they're developing and they're gaining the experience, and they're developing and they're gaining the experience. It's like huh, does that recipe really work? Yeah, more times than not, it does. More times than not it does. I wanted to ask you, though watching I was watching the Monday night game with my second oldest what do you think about DeAndre Hopkins being added to the Kansas City Chiefs roster? Nah, he looked good. He looked good playing. I think the league should have vetoed it and it never should have happened.
Speaker 2:You think, nah, he looked good. He looked good playing. I think the league should have vetoed it and it never should have happened. You think I mean they gave up nothing to bring in a wide receiver who was sitting somewhere just rotting. That was not washed up. Just when you play for a bad team, it's hard to it's hard to be motivated.
Speaker 2:I get that yep you're just waiting for an angel to fall out of the sky and say follow me to greatness. And he was lifted and flown to Kansas City and said here you go.
Speaker 2:And he he showed out it's just, and I just you know, as a non-fan of you know, kansas City Chiefs they've become the villains of the NFL. It was the Patriots for so long. It's like you. You just hate to see them get better. And they're not even. And, yes, you can say this with a grain of salt and say they're not even. And, yes, you can say this with a grain of salt and say they're not even good this year, yet they're still somehow undefeated. Right, and it's. It's astonishing to say that, because doesn't that make them good? Like you can say that they're not even good this year, yet they're still undefeated. So therefore, they're still good. They're still good. But if you look at numbers, they are not a good. They have not been a good team. They've been bad for three quarters and then somehow in the fourth quarter, yeah, their games.
Speaker 1:It's unbelievable. Their games this year has been like yes, we see that they're undefeated Should have lost.
Speaker 2:Monday night and then all of a sudden in the fourth quarter and then the first drive in overtime, dropped the mic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because when you look at the points scored, points against, I think the numbers like they scored 203. The opponents altogether scored 147. So it seems like it's a big gap, but it's really not. You know that's a difference of of, like one to two scores a game. You know, eight times eight, 64. Yeah, so you know that's a different one to two scores a game. So being that team that can finish it out is kind of what they've been relying on. They they've been relying on. They've been relying on that, no matter what, like when the fourth quarter comes, we'll be able to Handle business and we'll get out of this game. It's just, it's a. It's a. It's not necessarily scary, it's An unpredictable thing to do sometimes. Sometimes, because what happened if that opposing team does everything they need to do the right way in the fourth quarter, and then that game just goes a whole different way? It just surely goes a whole different way because of that. But yeah, as of right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's unfair. And then, yeah, and then we're adding DeAndre Hopkins, like you know, it's one of those things to where, like you said, he was right, Pretty much, like you know, not happy. You know team's not good. You know, what can I do or what can they do to help, to help him out. And it was kind of like here you go, We'll give you that. It was like what 2025 picks or something like that, Like the year 2025 draft round picks or something like that.
Speaker 2:Fifth round draft pick.
Speaker 1:Fifth round draft pick.
Speaker 2:Fifth round draft pick I think it was a third, that was a fourth. No, it was a fifth. It was a fifth round draft pick and Mingo, the wide receiver for the Panthers, went for a fourth to Dallas.
Speaker 1:They really did.
Speaker 2:He's a second round a second year player compared to somebody who's been for eight years, but again he's a fourth round, a fifth round pick, because Devante went for a third and then what's his name that went to the Ravens Went for a fifth as well. Johnson, johnson, yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow, man, yeah, kansas City definitely came out of that one to win, that that's for sure. Wow, because it was Tennessee that Hopkins was at right. It was Tennessee. Mm-hmm, yeah, I'd be like, no, you better give me this, you better give me this, you better give me this, you better give me that. You better give me some cash, you better give me this, you better give me this, you better give me this, you better give me that. You better give me some cash, you better give me this.
Speaker 2:Oh man, let me ask you this because I think over the past two weeks we've possibly seen two of the greatest plays, or the two of the greatest plays or the two of the greatest central plays in NFL history, with the catch, with the jets the one hand catch and Saquon hurtling backwards over somebody's head. Yes, after he put one of the nastiest spin moves that you will see of running back put on somebody. Yes, you then leap backwards. Yes, go spread eagle over somebody's head. Which one do you think was better?
Speaker 1:I'm going to have to say the hurdle, the one-handed catch, was great. Don't get me wrong. I was like damn, that was a. I'm like that was a hell of a catch. But to hurdle someone backwards, that's just freaking nation talent there. You may not know it was going to happen, but just because it happened it doesn't matter. You saw it happen and it's like that was wild. I would have to say. I'd have to say, say Quan's back with Hurdle and it was talked about like crazy, like it was. They started creating memes off of it that quick, you know. I mean, that's the world we live in anyway. Everything can simply be created off of a meme, but but no, definitely that the athleticism is a whole new level nowadays.
Speaker 2:Just yeah, amount of one-handed catches. Oh yeah, it's. It's like first nature. Now, if you can't the the overtime winner for the Rams, yeah, yeah, you don't think that that was a great thrown ball, but it was also a one-handed catch. Yeah, you know, to win it and that's like that's. That is what every kid now is like. I need to be able to catch the ball one hand yeah and that and those things.
Speaker 1:Like I can say not speaking for everybody, of course, but when I coached football, like I was coaching receivers, like we had a couple of drills where you know I was like I want you to try to catch the ball one hand and this is high school, you know.
Speaker 1:So imagine when you able to have time to actually work on like one hand to catch, like it was literally legit, like I'm going to throw this over your shoulder and I need you to run under it and I need you to put your hand out. I want you to grab it with one hand, secure with one hand, and pull it in. You know that that was the drill and I think that and I got that off of I think it was a, it was a college clip that I saw of a practice. That's where I got it from. So I'm sure you kind of like you said like kids in the game or young folks saying that, oh, I need to know how to catch the ball one-handed, like that's legit, being practiced on. As when you look, 20 years ago people caught the ball one-handed, yeah, but it wasn't something that was really practiced.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying you gotta tell them be like. You do not catch the ball one handed, you use two hands. God gave you two hands for a reason you do not try and catch it with one hand or I will bench you exactly.
Speaker 1:And look, you gotta go all the way through, hey, when it's above, your chest diamonds. When it's midsection and down, well, chest diamonds when his midsection in now.
Speaker 2:Well, and you recommend me if I'm wrong here, cause I you know you wonder why that's such a popular trend now Is it would you say that it's more or less because that you know quarterbacks have gotten so much better they're quicker, you know they have a little bit more leniency on what they can do that you have to be able to have that advantage of. You know where the quarterback can position the ball because you can put it in a different spot. If you can only have to reach one hand out instead of two, if you can step further, yep, that it gives you a little bit more of an advantage. To a cornerback who's you know, playing man on you, you have a little bit more you know room that you can play off of, or you know you can take that advantage of. On a cornerback like what do you say is uh one, you know room that you can play off of, or you know you can take that advantage of.
Speaker 1:On a cornerback like what do you say is uh one, you know the more the biggest reasons to that I think what that's been is the uh, the more so I guess you can say the precision passing of the quarterback making sure that they are really getting the ball down the field. Uh, because when you're able to get in a position as a receiver to where you can run and extend one arm out and the quarterback is able to put it there or put it near that hand for you to catch, it is definitely them having that ability to really throw the ball down the field. Over the years we've seen some strong going quarterbacks Don't get me wrong but as time has gone on and they've become more athletic, more talented, it's really about them being able to throw the ball far, because you really you usually don't see a one-handed catch 10 yards down the field. It's not going to be in that situation. It's going to be at least 20, 30 yards down the field that you got that quarterback dropping back and really putting that ball there.
Speaker 1:I think that's part of the reason why you see a lot of footballs being overthrown is because they're trying to leave the receiver so much so far to get away from the corner, or the safety is that the ball just gets overthrown.
Speaker 1:But if they can get it to that position, to where that receiver can just reach their arm out or lunge out with a diving catch. That's how you can definitely tell that, that the game has changed and I think part of that change came with just opening up the spread offense, you know, just throwing the ball a whole lot more. So I think it plays a major role with training for sure, what the quarterbacks are working on, the fundamentals, and it's not so much as in you know, step in here and the ball off, there we're gonna. It's really about stretching the field, kind of like what I was saying a little early about college players. Like you know, it's going to have a specific target sometimes, but it's really about stretching the field. So I think it plays a major role that the mechanics are different for quarterbacks as well To be able to throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 2:that way A little less precise.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's more of that. They just get to launch it downfield and especially when you got speed, you got to receive it as fast and they just launch it and never see it and just go get it. They just get that little bit of help by just extending one arm out away from the defender and snatching it with their hand.
Speaker 2:So when you talk about, you know the precise and then you know the ability to catch it. Stay in bounds. Where are you on this whole? One shin equals two feet, or am I right to say it was two taps with the same toe?
Speaker 1:Is that the yes, the, the rule that I know, know that you gotta get two feet inbounds and that's the rule it should be, especially on the nfl level. You have to get two feet in for it to be a catch. For them to get a shin down and say it's a catch. I know, I don't like that. I I love to see you know that, because it's another level of athleticism for them to be so close to the sideline but yet to get that one equals two feet right like it's it's. I mean, if they're, if they go down catching the ball and they're inbounds and they're touched on the ground, I can see that being caught inbounds. But if they're catching the ball, hitting the ground, I'm just a fan of seeing the toe tap.
Speaker 1:I can remember that it used to be a bunch of YouTube videos made up of just toe taps, sideline catches, and I think that the rules they kind of get it becomes wishy-washy because they give the leniency of rules. Let's say this is the rule, but this can happen, this can happen, this can happen, this could happen. So you have all these different scenarios that you have to judge off of whether it's a catch or not. But me, you know it may be old school thing and ain't trying to be, I just like it's that definitive. One foot down, other foot down. Secure the ball. Don't bobble it going out. That's a catch.
Speaker 2:Speaking of rule changes, I'll kind of bring into this one. There's been two significant changes to the NFL this season. The kickoff is completely different, and then also, one that I've really started to appreciate more and more is the replay assist. And so what, what has been your opinion on the kickoff so far? So far, and, uh, what do you think of how, how impactful the replay assist has been? Uh, this season?
Speaker 1:uh, well, I, I think that they're always looking for different ways to I'm talking about the replay first. They're always looking for different ways to be able to see all the possible angles, all the different scenarios that it takes place when a play happens, to make sure that they are making the right call. I not really against whatever replay tactics they want to use, they want to be involved with, uh, because I think it's good for the game, because now it's so many different variables. We know that the refs can't see everything. Um, I mean us as fans watching the game. We, we definitely can't see anything, everything because of the angle. You know, we think we did, we think we can, but no, I, I think that I think that the replay help is a good thing. Of course, you have to see over time. You know they got this season and I think there's something that has to be multiple seasons, you know, and when it comes to the pass interference will ever make it into replay assist after the failed attempt of the challenge.
Speaker 1:You know that's a hard, that that's the hard one because we kind of see we've seen it a little bit with basketball to where they go back on a foul to say we're going to see, we're going to see if this foul is a flagrant. You know, we're going to see if this is a flagrant or a common foul. So that's a little bit different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, NBA is ruined replay and I might've talked about this before and I'll make this quick, but it was. It might've been three, it was three or four years ago. It was like the year that it came out in the NBA. When you're playing basketball whether if it's pickup or anything and you go to shoot the ball and it's hit out of your hands by the defender, whose ball is it? Say it again. So if I go to shoot and you're defending me and I go up to shoot and you block the ball as I'm shooting and it goes out of bounds, Whose ball is it?
Speaker 1:If I block the ball, not out of the air not out of the air.
Speaker 2:If I'm going up to shoot and you hit the ball out of my hands and it goes out of bounds, no matter where you're playing, whose ball is it?
Speaker 1:It should be my ball.
Speaker 2:It's always been offensive ball because you hit it out of bounds.
Speaker 1:I mean, but you said that you wouldn't. You said I hit it off your hand, Maybe I hit it. And then it hit your fingertips last before it went out.
Speaker 2:I just remember no, no, it's offense. I just remember that the challenge replay on the call it was LeBron was in the corner and I don't. Oh gosh, who was a calendar? Who's a the really good defender that everybody hates now that keeps going team to team.
Speaker 2:You talk about Beverly, yes, beverly hit the ball and due to replay them, replaying it and challenging it, it goes off as it hits and you see it roll off of LeBron's fingers. Yeah, and when that case, after since that that play now is, it's now the defensive ball because of that, but yeah, in any game, but now it's always been offensive, it's always been offensive ball and it's like now.
Speaker 2:It's like you can challenge every little call in the in the last two minutes of the nba. It's like we need to stop the game to to do a replay. We need to check the clock. It makes two minutes in the NBA go for 20 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 1:It really does extend the game a long time. It's a low rank, right. If we was doing some street ball and stuff, it'd be offense ball. I gotta check it back up. Play defense again. It's one of those situations.
Speaker 1:With that call with, with that play, it has changed the dynamic of that. But uh, oh but. But the kickoff, the nfl kickoff. I'm gonna tell you this I did when I first saw it. I forgot about that rule change. I was weird. I forgot about that weird, that rule change.
Speaker 1:So I was looking and I was like what the hell are they doing? Like what is this? I'm like it's not a. I'm like this is not a safety. And I'm like what does this green box mean? I'm like what is? And? And then the ball is kicked and nobody's moving. I'm like what is going on? And they finally catch it. I'm like what is going on? And they finally catch it and I'm like, oh yeah, that's the new kickoff rule that they're implementing. You know it's. It definitely changes the game, for sure, because most of the time, by the time they get the ball, they're probably in the end zone or the team is just about right down the field. Uh, because I what it is is they can't catch it. They can't go until the receiver catches the ball in the in the green box right. Isn't that what it is, some some along those lines.
Speaker 2:So if they catch it in the green box, they have to return it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they got to return it.
Speaker 2:You can't take off until it's caught.
Speaker 1:Until it's caught, there we go yeah, so you get it secure, because when it comes down to it, most of the time we don't even see a return. We don't even see a return for most of the time. It's kind of like man, he might as well go ahead and just put on the 25, but on 2025 and just let them play. You know, if that, if yeah, we won't, we won't see the, the returns of the kickoff, returns of old as we once used, we used to witness, you know, but I mean punt is still the returns of old as we once used to witness. You know, but I mean punt is still there. Punt return is still there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't like the fact that you have to essentially announce that you're doing an onside kick. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You think of the Super?
Speaker 2:Bowl the halftime and the Super Bowl with the surprise onside kick. Like that play is, you know, stands alone on itself because it was such a genius call. Yeah. It was an epic play. And now that is impossible. It's, you know, it's never going to happen Something like that again, because you have to tell the other team hey, we're going to happen something like that again, because you have to tell the other team hey, we're going to onside kick it so you can get prepared.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the element of surprise was always a good thing with the onside kick. Now, of course, sometimes you'll see teams load players up on one side so you kind of got an idea, oh, it's coming. But there were other times to where got an idea, oh, it's coming. But there were other times to where you did not know it was coming. It was just a regular setup and that kicker just put their foot on a certain part of the ball, the ball roll and hit the ground at a certain point and then pops up or just goes dead and it's like uh-oh, onside kick. You know, but it it's kind of like that um, what is it like when? Uh, when the offensive lineman is ineligible, is an eligible receiver? You know, you know they got to report to the ref and then the ref had to say you know this, you know, number 75 is ineligible, is a eligible or is ineligible receiver?
Speaker 1:But yeah, but to announce that you're doing an onside kick. I think that's one of those things that goes with them trying to make the game safer. That's one of those approaches that they're taking. So everybody is aware and they know okay, onside kick is coming to make sure that they can protect themselves and that's why I think, with the kickoff, that that is things that they're doing to eliminate the amount of contact that happens within the game of football in the context work, you know. Eliminate the amount of contact in the game of football.
Speaker 2:I just think back how many injuries have you ever seen on an outside kick? I mean it can happen, but I can't say that I've ever.
Speaker 1:There's not one that I can specifically say Right, I agree, I agree. Can't say that I've ever. There's not one that I can specifically right I agree.
Speaker 2:I agree. I remember when this guy I heard it was on that dang, on the kick that ruined it yeah, no, I get that, trust me, I get it that kickoff, that kickoff you really don't, not a lot, but uh, I I can't, I can't say that.
Speaker 1:You know it was when we were coming up. You know, we guys used to headhunt on kickoff, like they're, they're looking for that one who got their head turned the other way and and then they're ready to go and just ear hole them. You know, and before, like you wanna know what it is, what's that?
Speaker 2:kids today are getting softer. You know why. They don't even play dodgeball you know what you know. That is something that I had you, you, you can't play dodgeball in school anymore. There's no dodgeball. They play with little what little leather balls.
Speaker 1:They get a tag other yeah, I've been hearing about that. Uh, you know, like I, I was one I was one of the teachers that defied the rules because we were kind of told hey, you know, don't do dodgeball, you know, and I'm like this Red Rover, this ball is not going to hurt them, it's not, you know, they just have to. There's no wonder you can't tackle anybody anymore, right. I'm like dodge'm, like they have not developed right that, that that developed the, the grit. You know they have cognitive risk.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, stuck, dip, dive and dive, they're all things you have to learn. And, yes, be successful, yes, and so just no wonder you can't take a tackle. You can't even train these guys to get hit by balls anymore. You just, it just amazed me to find that out, and it's I feel sorry for kids.
Speaker 1:yeah, because dodgeball that was, that's a highlight right there. Like dodgeball is like when it was dodgeball day.
Speaker 2:it was like yes, hey we're playing dodgeball.
Speaker 1:You're going to get the most participation from everybody the students who don't even like going to gym class doing PE stuff even they get in on dodgeball, like everybody did dodgeball. Everybody did dodgeball.
Speaker 2:But now it's like. So of course these kids are learning not to make contact anymore and it's just sad. I feel bad for you to enjoy it. No wonder kids are soft. It's so bad. Sorry to the kids that are out there, right.
Speaker 1:You're missing out.
Speaker 2:They're missing out.
Speaker 1:I can say I think some places somebody does some form of dodgeball. Because I can? Because when I was talking to my uh, second oldest, where I left, you know, I was like, what are you doing in gym class? And p he was like, well, you know, we play this, this version of dodgeball. But I like playing dodgeball and I was like, well, at least you're playing some version of it instead of like not having it in the curriculum at all. You know, like I was like I was like have you got hit by ball? Like yeah, and I've hit people too. Like okay, so you know, just I'm I. That's a win for me. I don't want to hear any anything else about how that game is played. All I know is that you can hit other people and other people have hit you and you got to get out the way of it. That is fine with me.
Speaker 2:My nephew I think it was his 10th birthday party last year. We're at a little place and they, we all played dodgeball and I tell you I made a lot of kids tougher because these are little 10 year olds and 8 year olds and you know, I might have, incidentally, hit a few in the face, but you know what? I made them tougher for that and they are more ready for the world that they're walking into because of this and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I bet you did, and I'll tell you this. After three games I could well. I was worn out, I couldn't lift my arm like I mean. I realized how old I was at that point.
Speaker 1:But right, I went to ice my shoulder down. Yeah, we took the kids to um trampoline park. We took the kids to trampoline park and you know they had the. You know they had the. You know the dodgeballs in there. You know we're just throwing them around and one of those kids threw a dodgeball at me. I said all indoctrination is coming up.
Speaker 2:I pegged the kid smack dab in the middle of his face and I was like I hit the kid too, and I looked over his mom and she's like that's all right, he'll, he'll. He'd probably deserved it.
Speaker 1:Look, the dad said, yeah, do it again. See cause we understand. Oh, man, ooh, oh, my goodness. But I do want to make, I do want us to talk a little NBA before we, before we finish up, so we know we touch on the one, the biggest, one of the biggest things in history yeah.
Speaker 1:So there's a lot of things really, but, uh, you know there was some changes. Is off season, um, with you know, call Anthony towns going to New York, dicks, you know kind of. You know, I think we kind of seen some of those changes taking place. We know Damian Lillard went to a new team, you know, and was trying to, you know, figure, not necessarily figure out the role, but just be impactful, you know, not being in Portland anymore, so we're starting to see, you know these, uh, what'd they say? The Statesmen. We see the Statesmen, they with these organizations for a while and they and then they change teams, they go different ways and all that. Um, but I wanted to ask you if and this is this is a bold move, bold question but do you think that the Milwaukee Bucks would trade Giannis?
Speaker 2:No, but there are rumors that have started that Dame could be traded himself.
Speaker 1:Because the reason why I asked it with Giannis specifically, like how you say what the rumors are going, they assume that since Dame is the, he hasn't been there as long, they want to try to keep him around a little bit longer. But Giannis is kind of that focal piece and even though he's not doing too many things that he's done in the past lately, so far he's still an important player, the franchise player with milwaukee, and I don't I wouldn't see them trading him. Uh, because you know you're, you pretty much trade him. You're getting a team if you, if you, if you're trading yannis, you're gonna get you a team. You know, but what players could you get to fill the void once Giannis is like really back on it again? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I don't think. I think that they. I mean when the Lakers acquired oh my God, I'm blanking on the moment right now. What's his name?
Speaker 1:Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2:Anthony Davis. The Pelican did get an entire team. Yeah, they literally traded their star five outside of LeBron to get it. Yeah, like they literally traded their star five outside of LeBron to get him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that if you're, in a lot of cases to trade a star, you have to get a star. Mm-hmm, dame, I feel like I was. I was looking at this earlier and they said something about like the magic trying to trade. You know young team that's being, and then you know trading way like some key players 34, 35, something like that. Like Giannis is still in his 20s, like, still so. Like if you can that. Like Giannis is still in his 20s, like, still so. Like if you can trade somebody who's 34 with four key pieces.
Speaker 1:That are some value yeah and also get picks.
Speaker 2:I can see something like that happening, but like where is it? It was like this was a but like where is it? It was like this was a potential, like drawn up trade. Was the magic would receive Damian Lillard, the Bucks would receive Jonathan Isaac Cole, Anthony Anthony Black and some of their five potential first round picks, which is always mind blowing because the NBA is so different that you can like your first-round pick five years down the road.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, Wow Like would that make Milwaukee better or worse?
Speaker 2:you get a future, but you're also you're wasting every year that you have Giannis as he gets older.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, I think Dame is a win-now player and you're making that trade as a. We're going to win when Giannis is now in his early 30s and can't wait to win another one. You don't have time to develop more people and try and squeeze it out all the time. Giannis is a freak of nature. They don't call him a freak for nothing, but like as he gets older, when you're that LeBron is the, he's the anonymous, like anomaly. You can't compare him to anybody else. But as you get older and you're that large of a player, your body wears down. You can't play as. And you're that large of a player. Like your body wears down, yeah, you don't, you can't play as, and you're just every year he gets. You're trying to rebuild somebody like that around, like making him the center point. Like you don't have as much time as you think. Right, I don't know who.
Speaker 2:like you can't trade him away and just get youth and picks exactly somebody who is back in the same situation he was in in Portland and you can't get. There's nobody for him.
Speaker 1:No, that's a very fair point, it is. But that's why I was saying, like, if you, if they want to even like, flirt with the idea, like you have to legit get pieces for that. Or what you said is, if you want, want this star, you got to give me a star, you know, and that's the way that that has to work. But I think that whenever we we, we kind of know how the dynamic go, whenever their struggle or team is not doing well, that's where the talks of the trade and getting rid of this player, getting rid of that player, getting this player come to talk, because of course we wouldn't be talking about this if they were undefeated. Or you know, if they um, if they were, you know, if they weren't one in five, you know, I don't think we'd be having this conversation. But and we know that in the nba, you know his 82 games, we know that. But still, this is, this is the magnitude of uh, where we are in society. Now to where you go one in five in your first six, seven, you know one in your first six games in the nba, you know things ain't going right, things are not going right. You know you got some time that you could get it back on track. You know, uh, it makes it seem that it's not going right. You know there's a and then with that it's been a hot start from the cavaliers for sure.
Speaker 1:Uh, I was able to watch their game the other day. Can't remember who they played. Why can't I think of who they played, um, but uh, and they're nine and oh, yeah, they, they like they, they were, it was they. They played really good. They look like, uh, you know it's um, they look like a young, tough team. You know and know, and I think that, um, you know they, they could make some noise moving forward. Now, uh, some folks still have, you know, boston as the number one team to to win it all this year. Uh, they still have. You know, I, I think I did see that cause they played golden state tonight, didn't they? I did see that because they played Golden State tonight, didn't they?
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, yeah, they did. Yeah, so, but when I sit here and I look, you know I see I'm going to glance at the Western Conference first. I'm going to glance and you know, you got Thunder 7-0. You got Phoenix 7-1. You got Golden State 7-1. You know the Rockets, you got 5-1. You got Golden State 7-1. The Rockets, you got 5-3. Clay being with the Mavericks now they're 5-3 as well. You see that. Let's see the Nuggets 4-3.
Speaker 2:Johnny James ran Lakers now Now 4-4.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're 4-4. Yeah, with your boy, jj Riddick, after him as a coach there. So, from what I've heard, he is coaching. He is coaching them up. I kind of said it before in the past about you know. I think you said it as well. I think we agreed that Anthony Davis has to really like. Yes, we know lebron james is the best player in the league right now, for sure, you know. But we know that anthony davis has to be that future piece for the lakers and he has to be that one to show like this is. You know I'm next, you know I'm next. And that brings me to something, because someone sent something to me.
Speaker 1:I don't know the validity of the quote. You know I should have did my due diligence, but it kind of came to me here soon. But someone said this and this is an NBA player, let's see if you can figure out who it is. You may have heard it I'm more skilled than Hakeem and more dominant than Shaq. I'm easily the best center to ever play the game. That's Joel Embiid. That is Joel Embiid. Is that Joel Embiid? That is Joel Embiid, the one who said that will not play back-to-back games? We're not playing back-to-back games anymore this season. I heard this Someone sent that to me as well and I said wait, what? So I, the NBA? They have a tough schedule 82 games. They try to bracket it in Some of those nights. You're going to be playing back-to-back games. You're going to be playing back-to-back nights, you're going to be playing. But I would think that if he's not playing in back-to-back games, that's probably gonna be like you know, 14, 15 games, like he's not playing in at all because I'm sure they got multiple of those in the schedule. Uh, with the cb, with the uh cba rule, they um, with the collective bargaining agreement, they have to play in a certain number of games to be eligible for yearly awards. I know he's been injured. I don't even think that would make him eligible to even get any to be eligible for any yearly awards or anything like that. But it was.
Speaker 1:It was interesting to hear the take from other players in the league former players I listened to. I think it was Kendrick Perkins that he kind of said something that was like you know, I get it because he it may have been Kendrick Perkins that was talking at the time, or it may have been somebody else Shoot, I can't remember. I can't remember God dang. Remember god dang it. But what I heard was I get that.
Speaker 1:You know he wants to make sure he's taking care of his body, he wants to make sure he's healthy. Uh, so he's not playing in every nba game. Get that, he said. But kind of like, when you look at lebron james, though and everybody can't be LeBron James but when you see someone who's played a long time and they play night in and night out to their body can and they've done you know they take care of their body it's kind of like why do you get to choose that? You're not going to be playing in every single game, and you know, do you think that there should be some? Because I don't know if this is the case or not, but do you think there should be some contingencies or safeguards built in to contracts when players, like, make such a decision? When players make such a decision?
Speaker 2:I think that there's a simple solution you either A eliminate back-to-back nights or, b, you can keep it the same but lower the games from 82 to 72 or something like along those lines. Yep, your games is a lot of games for a sport that essentially on a given night for each team there's about what eight players that rotate maybe, like for the most part. Yeah, I mean it's a high, intense, like in football. If you think about in football, like they, they say like when you got to play, and I know that they purposely try and not make it where you're the monday night game and then you're the thursday night game, like they strategically try and schedule those, you know, or where if you're traveling over to london, then you might go into your bi-week, you know right.
Speaker 1:Unless they flex, unless they use the flex.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there's there. I mean there are ways to to help benefit teams and players. I think that Independence on your position like as an NFL, like even sometimes with a quarterback. You could almost argue that by the end of a game as a quarterback, you're less exhausted than you are than playing one NBA game. Oh yeah, and expected to go out tomorrow night and play again, and play again. Yeah yeah, I get that. Yeah yeah, I get that. I get that. Like you, you either stop and hockey.
Speaker 2:I know even hockey does it. But I'd say this you don't hear hockey players complain about it, but that's just. That's a different mindset, that's the mindset of the sport.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Basketball is.
Speaker 2:I mean they say it's a bunch of prima donnas, which I mean. Sometimes it is, but it is a lot on your body to and to think that LeBron is doing it at damn near 40.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at the level he's doing it too yeah.
Speaker 2:And not coming out and saying, well, I'm not playing back to back. It's like he has 10 years on him being, that's true is not complaining, still going out and giving it, and it's playing at a high level, like if you're going to force players into and I agree with it, I think that you should. You should go in with the expectations that you're playing, because, as a fan we talked about this before Yep, I'm spending money on what? Going to see my favorite player playing to find out, oh, he's not playing tonight because he's tired, he's needs to rest.
Speaker 1:Yep, we did stop scheduling games.
Speaker 2:Extend the season a little bit longer and spread out the games a little bit more or schedule less games.
Speaker 2:So extend the season a little bit longer, yeah, and spread out the games a little bit more or schedule less games so that the season is the same, but eliminate those Like it's how many back-to-backs, like I think I was let me like if you look at the Lakers here just the if I were to look at the schedule for the Lakers, you have and maybe this doesn't count as the ones that they've already played but 11, 15 and 16, so there's one set of back-to-back two and like this right here it's like they play 11, 26, 11, 27 and 11, 29, like three games in four days. Yeah, that's bad. Like two there, three, three, four, four, four back-to-backs for the rest of the season. Yeah, so you take out those four games and you're still at a 75 76 game season. Like, just spread them out, like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's an easy solution that I just don't understand why they don't take it right. Baseball is different. You have a different pitcher going every single night. But yeah, yeah, yeah, a pitcher going out and it's like yep, well, you're going back out tomorrow night to pitch, like you physically cannot do physically.
Speaker 1:I agree, you physically cannot compete like that and compete at a high level without causing harm and injury to yourself. You know, I know for sure that they, with that NBA cup, I know it added like two games that could be back to back, cause I think it's like it's like 10 or 11 teams that have um and maybe even that case, you.
Speaker 2:Those are the only times you have back-to-backs, because it's like, yeah, tournament yeah, because for the cup, yeah, for that NBA cup.
Speaker 1:But I think it's like, yeah, I think it's like 10 11 team, they got like 16 back-to-back games or something like that, because I, I know the, I know the suns got it, because I looked at their schedule recently. I think the calves, one of those teams, I think the clippers, the bucks, the nuggets, uh, just some of those teams off the top of my head, um, and I think, and that's even like the televised games too, um, they don't have, thank goodness they don't have any. Four games and five nights, though, like, thank goodness they don't have that, because that is just like taxing, like on anybody. You know, when I was coaching high school, I was in a situation like that well, we have three, four games a week. I'm like, how can we even get rest to get better? You know, playing all these games? You know it's, it's that, let me see, yeah, and so. So the back to back. I get that.
Speaker 1:Like you, you got to adjust the schedule. You have to make a change with the number of games that's played. I would think that with the, you know the, what is it? The preseason, you know, I know they don't have a minimum number of games the NBA doesn't mandate. They just say they can't play more than, like, six games in the preseason or something like that games in the preseason or something like that. So I was, I would think that if you say, okay, they can't play no more than six games in the season and we're looking to make a change in the schedule I'm not saying eliminate the preseason completely, you know, but honestly, just get them, just get them a few games, just get going, you know, because it's going to oh three games.
Speaker 2:Huh, nfl has three preseason games. Yeah, it's six.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's like. So, if they just do, like you know, two, three games for preseason with the NBA, I think that would be fine. But, like I said, they don't mandate a minimum number. They just say they can't play more than six in a year. But just let them play a couple or a few because more than likely, you're going to be playing your reserves or playing some guys that you want to try to see.
Speaker 1:Ah, this is the last decision. We're going to bring this person on the 10-day contract to kind of see if there's somebody that we want to have a part of the roster for the season. But you know, like you said earlier, you know they only really rotate eight guys in the NBA. Like, they only really rotate eight guys, maybe nine sometimes, but you, you're going to see the same faces play throughout the season. So, yeah, we got to make sure that we got things built in place to make sure that they can, you know, withstand and go through the season and be healthy, and but yeah, back-to-back games, it's a low. It's a low for sure, it's definitely a low for sure.
Speaker 1:So, but I do like the proposal of, you know, cutting down games and I think that has been something that has been said before. Just wonder when that will come into play. If that's the case, you would lose some money. You may lose a little bit of money, but honestly, it's a few games. We're not talking about chopping it in half completely, just go a few games. We're not talking about, you know, chop it in half completely, just go half of it. It's a few games that you know. Other things can be put in place, but I did want to ask you If you extend it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you extend it you're in five games, like in the season two weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, just make the season longer, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just make the season longer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because once it's and just eliminate that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. What is? Because I think this? Because this is year two of that NBA Cup. Right, this is the second year they're doing the NBA Cup. What's your thoughts on the NBA Cup? We saw it last year, so what's your thought on the NBA Cup? We saw it last year, so what's your thought on the NBA Cup? You know, with this season you know, I know the season started I was going to say going into this season, but you know what's your thoughts on the NBA Cup?
Speaker 2:I think it's fun. I mean like, I mean you look in the most exciting time of any basketball season madness, yeah, a single elimination tournament now, march, end of the season to determine a champion. But like I think it's a fun little. You know I champion, but like I think it's a fun little. You know, I think that, uh, I think that you could get creative with it and maybe not make it like count to like the records and things like that, like make it something that like maybe some ways like you could make it a lot of fun, ways like adding in like the four point shot or just like you know, making it more fun and creative would be an idea. Right, they could also do that with, like the all-star game or things like that. But I think it's kind of I don't know, it's a, it's a fun perspective, like a fun idea, just because it's kind of like an in-season March Madness.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right.
Speaker 2:Like a double elimination tournament. I just I wonder how it feels, like that it impacts, because like, if you win, you know I can't, I thought it did, but does it count towards your overall record or does it?
Speaker 1:not, I think it, I think it does.
Speaker 2:Uh, let me see, let me see real quick, that's the one thing I, I I couldn't remember last season, Cause I mean, doesn't it almost like winning? It give you a advantage because you technically play more games. Let's see.
Speaker 1:Uh, let's see. The only one that doesn't count towards the regular season schedule is the championship game, but the other games are built into the 82-game season.
Speaker 2:So then, technically, you have to play one additional game if you win it.
Speaker 1:Correct. So it's almost an unfair advantage. Exactly, exactly so if you get to the championship game, you're playing an extra game in the season.
Speaker 2:I mean it's a cool idea. I think that it's just something that it's like it kind of draws your interest now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a weird scenario how they have to like you're playing these games and then it's a round robin thing and or however they do it like yeah, but it's a fun idea, yeah, I think they could be creative with it and, after you know, they've had one year to do it and this will be the second year and see how it goes. Yeah, it's also some of those things Like I hope it's not like oh, we added it in the next season. It's like all right, we're completely going away with it again.
Speaker 1:That's what I don't want to see, because I'm the one that's like, okay, this is going to be year two under it. Now you can kind of say, all right, year two. How can we go to make changes and make adjustments? Because what I like about the approach they took, it wasn't really any changes they made from the, from last season, which is good because it was the first season. Don't try to come and try to make all these changes, because you're trying to see how it works and see how it develops. So you need, you know, a couple of seasons to really, you know, collect data and identify, like, what's good, what's bad, what could be changed, what could be modified.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I definitely would not want to see it just go away because, like you said, it's fun and you know people look forward to it. They actually really look forward to it and you know, you know they gave him a lot of crap about it but with the lakers, you know, winning the first one, people gave a lot of crap but still it was. I think it was something that that was fun and good for the game and one of the things out, uh, adam silver said was we want to do something to make sure that we continue to keep the fans engaged and entertained with the nba, and I think they did that with that move, making that move. I think they did that.
Speaker 2:Now I just got to do something with the All-Star game, oh my man, the All-Star game.
Speaker 1:You know, that's a whole Make it a purpose Home for advantage, yeah, yeah, because now it's like and you're gonna get people to show up for it, not saying that they need to go out there and play, like it's you know if they're in the game seven or game, or a winner takes all. Or you know, when I go home nba playoff or championship game, but just really like you know, win a go home NBA playoff or championship game, but just really, like you know, it's become more of a theatrics. Really, the whole weekend is really more. It's become more theatrics, you know.
Speaker 2:I want to see the best dunkers in the league in the dunk contest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like we, we, we haven't seen the best three point shooters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we, we see people that can dunk, you know, but we will. Let's, let's see the best of the best of the dunkers get out there. So, oh, I just got a, a notification just came across my phone. You know, since I, I guess, since I live in Phoenix, now you know, I have these. Uh, I get these sports updates from the Phoenix teams. You know, um, and the suns beat the heat one 12, one, 15. And uh, tyler hero put up uh 28 in the game. Okay, kd the Slim Reaper put up 32. Devin Booker put up 22. Brad Beal put up seven, and let's see, nurkic had 20. And Ty's Joan had five.
Speaker 2:That was from the starters that I never thought would have been great.
Speaker 1:Right, and let's see. Yeah, tyler Hero, bam Bam had 12. Butler had 15. Rozier had seven. Jovick had four. That was just the starters. That's just the starters I'll put. Rozier had 7, jovic had 4. That was just the starters. That's just the starters output. But you know it's a pretty decent scoring game 112-115.
Speaker 2:So last NBA thought, and it's something that I think we just have to acknowledge.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:LeBron and Brownie get to step on the court for the first time ever. Yeah, we witness history. Your thoughts on Brownie so far in his two and a half minutes that he's played and averaging 0.7 points per game.
Speaker 1:You know, we've seen this before, not the fact of father and son being on the same team and on the same court at the same time, but we've seen this before to where there are high expectations, high hope for a young player. Uh, that young player may not start, may not get on the floor as much they may go to the g league team, you know. Whatever it may be, uh, I think that it's great because I can't think off the top of my head, but I know because it could have been other situations. But the last time I could remember was uh ken griffey jr sing, uh ken griffey, senior and ken griffey jr playing at the same time, like it's something that we don't really see a lot in history. So for it to take place at that magnitude, especially with uh, with it being le LeBron James and his son, I think it was something great.
Speaker 1:The standard people are going to hold Bronny to is the same as his dad. I hope they understand that they are two completely different people, two completely different players, that different expectations need to be held. But of course, over time he's going to get good training, he's going to get good practice, good development to where he can be. You know that he can become, you know, a great NBA player. I was not expecting for him to get out there and play, you know, 32 minutes and put up 25 points in that, you know. But that time, I think will come for him. I think that time will be there, you know, if he really wants that.
Speaker 2:What are realistic expectations for brownie james?
Speaker 1:realist, uh, realistic expectations.
Speaker 1:I think that, uh, it's, you know, the first couple years definitely develop it, big, big development, just uh, getting him acclimated to the nba, just be becoming nba player and and working off of the tutelage of, you know, not being held to the standard of his dad, you know, but it's a development piece.
Speaker 1:I think that, like I said, because of the dynamics in the NBA, now a lot of people can, it's just as easy for someone to have success as just as much of them to fail. The dynamics in the NBA, now a lot of people can, it's just as easy for someone to have success as just as much of them to fail. But, like I said, with the right training, the right development, developmental coaches, you know, I think realistically, realistically, we're looking, you know, down the line, you know, within a, the few years, he makes an impact and then he, he'd be something great within the next six years. Well, not the greatest, but do great things. If it pans out that way, you know he should, he should definitely be impacting the nba, definitely be a face of the NBA to come fair enough what do you think similar, different way off?
Speaker 2:I think he's a another college basketball player that played less than one year in college and has all these expectations and is a great athlete. Won't hear about him, for three or four years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to take time. Man, I really think it's going to take time. I could be wrong and he could just get out there crazy next year, but I I think it's gonna take a few years, you know, I remember when the one and done was a big thing.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, had some big time athletes and as of late, there's just there's, no, there's. Now is Cooper flat being like that next big final like one and done but like you, just none of these players that have been done have been stars. Yeah, kyrie Irving played in games at Duke and was an immediate impact.
Speaker 1:Yeah, zion you know the Jason Jason Tatum. You know Jason Jason Tatum. You know like, over the past few years, it's in the same thing.
Speaker 2:They're heck of an athlete, but he issues the ball, yeah, or just it's. They're going to take three or four years to develop. Well, why not just stay in college for extra years? Still get some development? Of going down to the G League, you're getting the same development you would at the G League. If you're at Duke, unc, you're getting the same type of training. Heck, you might even be getting better training at some of these colleges than you are in the G league, right? Just think. I think that these kids, young, trying to go into the, the NBA they have to pick somebody, might as well take somebody on the promising future in four or five years, right? Exactly, I don't know. I just don't understand it anymore. Yeah, I get it. Maybe one of these days it'll change you, I get it.
Speaker 2:That's my take on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's very fair, Like I said, with some people, people, they can be an immediate impact, but others really, you know, need time and um, well, the other part about you know what we say about people. I wait for my closing thoughts with that one. How close thoughts out with that one. But uh, do you have I know it's been a while Do you have a Interesting Stat of fact?
Speaker 2:I kind of had one and I wasted it earlier, you know, and to say that Interesting fact of the day Was that Young had his first ever on Invictory pose win a game. I mean that that was an interesting fact. That it took until this past weekend to to get that for the first time. It was interesting. I would have never. I guess they haven't been successful team, but I never would have thought that's a stat that is actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Victory kneel-down formations you've taken.
Speaker 1:You said 20 games in. 20 play games in 20 careers.
Speaker 2:That's the first time you ever did in your formation, wow.
Speaker 1:Oh man.
Speaker 2:He is starting, by the way, this weekend. Okay, all right, against the Giants.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, you're going to get your young jersey.
Speaker 2:I thought about, I think, the way the economy is right now it's gonna hurt your pockets. I'd rather go buy a stack of rocks or something, a box of Pokemon that actually might be worth something one day.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, that's a bag of rocks.
Speaker 2:But after that, in a week or two, it'll be interesting how that'll go again. Right, I can't always hate on them, but I said this from day him, but I I said this from day one and I will continue to say it, and I said it before and I said it after the Panthers do not draft Bryce Young, they do. Yeah, draft him. You could have had.
Speaker 1:CJ Yep.
Speaker 2:Taking you to playoffs. We talked about that?
Speaker 1:Yep, we talked about that.
Speaker 2:And I think everybody heard it here first. They grew up and ESPN was talking about it after us.
Speaker 1:You know it's been a few things that we've talked about. You know, thank goodness I got them published because it's time stamped that we talked about and then others talked about it, like we said that before Caitlin Clark came. Big yeah it was one, I can't remember what it was someone, Nick Wright was talking about it and and I'm like we were talking about that Like what.
Speaker 2:They got caught up in a breath of fresh air and you said you know what? We're going to take this little nobody podcast and we're going to steal everything that they talked about.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Our props and dues are coming one day though. Day, though, oh yeah, they are this is the start of something big.
Speaker 1:Something big for sure, oh man.
Speaker 2:So any closing thoughts you know, really sickly, you know I say this, jason Kelsey, get your essay exclamation mark T together. You know, broke some poor kid's phone? Yeah, I might have, probably can said something about his bro. I feel like that every time that dude's in public he's either punched somebody or something like buy that man a new cell phone. I call brother a bad word, a word we shouldn't say nowadays, but to grab the guy, smash it and say the same thing back to him. Get it together. Yeah, smash it and say the same thing back to yeah, it's a fun, funny world we live in Now.
Speaker 2:Closing statements is we're back. You know I'm excited. Everything starts over now. You know we we're here to talk about sports, talk about politics and all that stuff. That's the whole. And for that we're here to talk about sports, talk about politics and all that stuff, that's the whole. And I'm sure that we're here to talk about things that make us happy and now frustrated at times, but not in a bad way down. But in sports we always can. You know, sometimes you get back, unless you're the Carolina Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1:Or the Dallas Cowboys. Yep, oh yeah. And I got some faithful. I got some friends that are faithful Cowboy fans, so they're going to love to hear us talk about them like that. But you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2:Shut to Dak. You know again, I said it earlier, but hey if I it earlier, but hey, if I was playing for the Cowboys and I was faking injury for at least a couple weeks too, then I have to be seen playing on that team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it's one of those. You know they don't know what's wrong. It's one of those injuries. It's one of those something with my knee. They can't figure out what it is.
Speaker 2:It's like your car needs blinker fluid Right.
Speaker 1:That's what's wrong.
Speaker 2:I don't know why my car won't start, but I ran out of blinker fluid. What do you got for us? What do you got?
Speaker 1:Closing this out, definitely glad to be back recording Like it's been. You know, like I said, we've been, we've been gone for a minute but we back getting back into that. You know this is, I can tell you, this is the one thing that that I missed, that I haven't done in a little bit, like I I I I'm grateful for my time being an educator, but I don't I don't miss being in the classroom. I'm grateful for my time being an educator, but I don't I don't miss being in the classroom. I'm grateful for my time as being a coach. I don't miss coaching, but I did miss making these episodes and recording these things. So I'm definitely glad to be back with that.
Speaker 1:I point this out because people got a tendency to try to say you know, if you haven't lived a life or been a professional athlete or any of those things, that you can't have certain conversations or speak on certain things. But I'm going to tell you this straight, especially with this being where we are in 2024 in life, you know, you can, you know, talk about whatever you want to it. People can listen or not listen, but you don't have to have particular experience or, uh, skin in the game to be able to give your opinions about things that happen in life, and one of the things we just happen to give our opinions about, which sometimes turns into facts, sports, you know. With that, once again, I want to make sure that congratulations to you and your wife for what you're going to be expecting here in the next few months coming. The next.
Speaker 1:Caitlin Clark, bringing a little person into the world. The next Caitlin Clark is coming soon. Oh yeah, most definitely so. Oh, I want you to. I want you to know that my golf swing has improved. I'm going to tell you what happened, as I, as I closed this out, I was watching the Tiger Woods clip. Why don't you watch some Tiger Woods clips? That's what you do, watch Tiger Woods clips. And it was an older clip and he made this comment that when he used to swing his leg, his back leg did an ole move. It made him feel like he was like ole ole because it was just free and it wasn't strong. And he was like ole ole because it was just free and it wasn't strong. And he was like once I grounded my feet and I just swung, it was there. So I went golfing, grounded my feet, I swung from the tee 250 yards. I said, well, I guess I'm going to be great, I guess I'm not going to ole no more again, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:You should have hit it and then, after you hit it, you should have said ole.
Speaker 1:Just for the hell of it right.
Speaker 2:Just for Tiger.
Speaker 1:Oh, man, but no, but really it's. But no, I'm glad to be back in this, in this medium, with you, man, looking forward to, but really it's. But now, I'm glad to be back in this, in this medium, with you, man, looking forward to putting a lot more out there. We're going to get back into the swing of things. You know we're going to make it work the best way we can, but we're going to make sure that we're pushing this stuff out to you all, going to start also getting it on YouTube.
Speaker 1:I've had some requests that some people would like to listen to it through YouTube. You know, everybody has their different ways of listening to podcasts on different platforms and I'm going to try to bring that stuff to you. So, just, you all, just stay tuned for that. I know people usually say say, stay tuned for stuff and it never comes to fruition. But stay tuned, we're going to be getting all that stuff up to you. It's gonna be some big stuff. So, uh, you know, I want you all to make sure that you're taking care of each other, make sure you stay safe out in these streets and until the next time we'll catch y'all on the flip side. You.
